Frank Herbert's DUNE

[BKnight]

Well, guys, for those of u who still don't know this was the main hit back in the '60s. Basically, DUNE, is the best SF book I have ever read (haven't read The Foundation by Asimov, yet). It is so deep that u could drown in it...
It has 6 volumes, the author's first intention was to release the 7th book some time soon, but some nasty cause didn't agree --- his death. May he find peace in death!
The volumes are as following:
1.DUNE
2.DUNE'S MESSIAH
3.CHILDREN OF DUNE
4.GOD EMPEROR OF DUNE
5.DUNE'S HERETICS
6.DUNE'S CHAPTERHOUSE
7.BOOK OF smt (the one that didn't appear)

So, guys, if u really want more info about post and ask me. I mean I could start a big-big-big debate about the symbols used by Herbert but I won't talk alone.

[InklingElf]

I've read the first two: DUNE and DUNE MESSIAH. Perhaps I will be able to lead on a disscussion with you.

What symbols would you like to talk about?

[BKnight]

Wow, finally someone noticed this thread. These books are great, u know? Real great. They deal with some amaizing things, in a all new manner. Well, they are a bit old, since the '60s, but what the heck?
My favorites are the first two, which u say that u have read, right? You should deff read all the series, but aftert the fourth book it becomes a little more complicated.
Symbols? It's an amizing part in Dune2 where Paul says to Chani smt like : We have an eternity for us....; Maybe, u have the eternity, says Chani, I have only this moment. And Paul replies, But this is etrenity. Cool, huh?

I think it talks about freezing the essenceof the time in a single memory. Like that bit from AI, at the end when David goes to sleep beside his mother. Vey touching.
And another symbol that I have recognized it's addiction. The spice for the fremen was like the Ring for Gollum, right? It represents the machine, smt that takes your will. There are a lot others in the rest of the books.
Your turn to say smt.

[InklingElf]

The relationship between religion and power - One of the more innovative aspects of Dune is its exploration of religion—something that, in the early 1960s, was rare in most science fiction. Many science fiction authors considered religion as an outdated institution that would eventually lose its direct control over society, as it had in the United States for decades. These authors assumed that the separation of church and state would only widen in the future. Frank Herbert had a different conception of the future. Not only does the universe of Dune employ a feudal government system that includes dukes and barons, but religion has a very strong presence in day-to-day existence and even in political decision-making.

...and you mentioned the spice as addiction -- yes. It is also the human control over ecology -- basically the same thing.

I really hope I'll be able to get around to reading all of the books -- sadly I have state tests starting on Wed.

[BKnight]

Religion and power, eh? Nice, but deadly combination. True, with this two combined anyone can rule very easy. I like the way you present your point of view. Very well indeed. Though DUNE is a very complex book. It’s very hard to apprehend and comprehense all the details, symbols, motifs… It’s a book that anyone should read, and, of course, not only one time. Even after succesive readings you discover something new. Well, the first two books are, IMHO, the most little complex from all the series. I mean, it’s easier to understand the first two of them than, let’s say, the fourth and most complex, THE EMPEROR GOD.
One more thing, my favorites are exactly the first two ones. I got very attached to Paul and I relate a lot to him (I think). Well, to settle your heart, he didn’t die in the dessert, he also appears in DUNE3, but enough of this. I don’t want to spoil your delight in discovering these things yourself.
Let’s talk a little more about DUNE2. Another theme proposed by the author in this amaizing volume is the subject of cloning. Paul is presented a ghola of his best friend, Idaho, who died o the line of duty. Herbert, treats this subject with extreme attention; with an act of high will, the ghola Idaho manages to recover all his memories, thus becoming what he once was. A very interesting concept… it relates a little to the shared memory of Bene Gesserit and the fact that Paul has all his predecessors inside his head. Another interesting fact is that Herbert himself, (through one of his characters) says in DUNE5 or 6, and I quote:”He’s a ghola, not a clone!” What do you think? Interesting, isn’t it?
Let’s keep to the subject of the disgusting Bene Tleilax. After the atomic weapon burns Paul’s eyes, he refuses to aquire robo-eyes. They enslave, right, as Alia (I think) or even Paul says. Well, I think it says a lot about the human spirit… About the fact that humans can and should go beyond their limits (of course, that with Muad’Dib is a little bit different because he didn’t need eyes to see, he had the Vision). But the case is stated for humans: go beyond your limitations.
I have to say that I’m happy that I’m not the only here that appreciates Herbert and his greatest masterpiece. I know how important are exams in a student’s life (believe me) so I won’t press you, like: “Read the books!” or “Have you read them yet?” All in good time.

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